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Subject: "Nobody told us" excuse decommissioned ...
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"Far more important perhaps, this Act also seems (to me at least) to have major implications for ALL of the citizens of the Republic of Ireland: who are of course all fully entitled, at all times, to be properly SERVED by our laws, by our law-enforcement agencies, and by our entire legal system."
"Nobody told us" excuse decommissioned
by W. Finnerty. Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:43 
A few days ago I received an e-mail from a Republic of Ireland politician who read the above information regarding our "CRIMINAL JUSTICE (UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE) ACT, 2000" legislation, and who was obviously very pleased to learn of it.
The politician in question also expressed the belief that there are people "in positions of authority" (in the Republic of Ireland) who are badly in need of reading these particular pieces of information: which is a view I would VERY strongly agree with.
Yesterday I tried to ensure that some of our most senior public servants do read it, by sending the e-mail reproduced at the following address to a selection of them: 
Prime Minister Ahern TD (Republic of Ireland) is among those the e-mail at the above address was sent to; and, for anybody interested, his is the second name in the "CC" section.
For good measure, and with Shannon (INTERNATIONAL Airport) in mind, I also decided to ensure a selection of international media organisations and personalities were informed regarding this particular piece of legislation, as well. Full details of the e-mail used can now be viewed at
As can be seen at the address just above, RTE (State Broadcaster, Republic of Ireland), and newspaper proprietor Sir Anthony O'Reilly (Republic of Ireland) are among those the information has been sent to.
Consequently, there is now irrefutable evidence on the Internet (for all the world to see) that all of those listed on the above-mentioned e-mails have been informed about where, EXACTLY, the Republic of Ireland stands regarding the gravely serious "torture" issue.
Allowing for the phrase "with the consent or acquiescence of a public official" contained in Article 1 of this legislation, it seems to me that this whole business has major implications for ALL of our public servants: not least all members of our gardaÝ (police) - provided of course that our CRIMINAL JUSTICE (UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION AGAINST TORTURE) ACT, 2000 is treated with the great care and respect it fully deserves (in my view): by being UPHELD and ENFORCED in practice. 
Far more important perhaps, this Act also seems (to me at least) to have major implications for ALL of the citizens of the Republic of Ireland: who are of course all fully entitled, at all times, to be properly SERVED by our laws, by our law-enforcement agencies, and by our entire legal system. 
Have we put "the cart before the horse" again? 
Instead of FIRST getting our human-rights "legal infrastructure" into good working order for the third millennium, we seem instead to be inappropriately giving such things as "road transport infrastructure" (for example) a much, much higher priority?
Hopefully, it's still not too late to reverse this shocking error (as I see things)?
The above text has been copied from the following Indymedia (Ireland) location:
For future reference purposes a copy this e-mail will later today be placed at the following Internet address: 

You're not bound to your email address, it's a snitch to switch. Give Yahoo! Mail a try.


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